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Tim845



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:02 am    Post subject: 909*411 Reply with quote

If you take a right off Tyrell after the parking lot, shortly before you get to the snowmobile trail/Black gate watch out for a pair of wheel eating sink holes in the middle of the dirt road.
Havent seen many ticks til now, more than a few.
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burtondogs



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:38 am    Post subject: .. Reply with quote

Yeah, those DEC landscrapers really went to town on the fireroads.

Im thinking of heading out there saturday morning with a rake to thin down some spots on the trails.
Mercury looks like a big fat bald ho.

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Tim845



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Youre not raking leaves off are ya?
Im of the belief that the leaves are beneficial to the trails.
I havent figured out what the DEC's up to yet, but I spoke with a ranger over the summer who'd said another timber harvest was happening soon at the top of Brockway rd (opposite the Tyrell lot).
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They have been cutting random trees (well, random to me) down in the woods...I've been doing some hiking to test out my new GPS...
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burtondogs



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pedaler845 wrote:
Youre not raking leaves off are ya?


No , I would'nt do that.

I'm gonna go back thru and put some leaves back that were blown off for the race.
Im not gonna have alot of time to do much, but I definitely wanted to get some leaves back on Mercury and narrow it back down.
The thing that sucks is the sweet lines that had been worked into the leaves are blown away. I'm sure a new line will develop pretty quickly.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya, everybody loves that trail. Cool you snapped some shots of the ol Merc before she left.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The leaf blowing that the night race promoters did is not healthy for the trails. All that protection gone means now that rainwater just sits on the trail. All that mud you push off the trails from where it ought to be ends up where it shouldnt be. Hopefully this'll change next year.....
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pedaler845 wrote:
The leaf blowing that the night race promoters did is not healthy for the trails. All that protection gone means now that rainwater just sits on the trail. All that mud you push off the trails from where it ought to be ends up where it shouldnt be. Hopefully this'll change next year.....


I could not agree more. Leafblowers suck.
Maybe the next year the flyer can have a big note.

Race course will be left in its natural state, as much as possible.
Pre riding the course is strongly recommended.


Or something like that.

This will make the race more difficult, but isnt mountain bike racing at night supposed to be a challenge.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

werd!
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Tim845



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

....Or blow 'em back on post race?
....move the race date up a few weeks?
The promoter(s)'ll be hearing some ideas.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to disagree with you on that with raking the leaves. If theres a mud hole, or a place where water collects after rain, the leaves will only hold the moisture in that much more. And with the moisture there, ruts will form, even with the leaves there. I ride all year round, and not that I dont mind riding on trails with leaves, I find trails much more fun where they are cleared off from leaves. It allows me to go faster, not having to guess if theres a rock Im gonna hit any second or for that matter guessing where the trail goes next. I dont think the "flow" ever really gets going when every 100 yards or so you just realized you are off the trail. Just my 2 cents

And heres a quote right off the IMBA website talking about this topic.

We need to be alert to bad science though and to criticize it. In two studies in the USA last year, it was charged that bikes cause soil damage by "compacting soil" and "removing leaf litter". These are two things that we, in fact, any trail users do. In agricultural soil science, both would be problems, but they do not apply to recreational trails. Compaction and removal of leaf litter are exactly what separate the trail from the non-trail. Trail construction manuals discuss compaction and debris removal as necessary to keep a trail open and in good condition. We must not let bad science pass without our criticism.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

g60dude wrote:
Compaction and removal of leaf litter are exactly what separate the trail from the non-trail. Trail construction manuals discuss compaction and debris removal as necessary to keep a trail open and in good condition. [/i]


That is true.

But by the late October the single track is all nicely compacted and cleared with great flow.

Leafblowing is no good.
It removes the whole top layer of soil along with the leaves and makes the singletrack wide as hell.
Other land users that see this must think bikers are idiots.

I think the race is a great , positive thing.
It would be much better with less impact on the Forest.

later
Jim
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That is true.
But by the late October the single track is all nicely compacted and cleared with great flow.
Leafblowing is no good.
It removes the whole top layer of soil along with the leaves and makes the singletrack wide as hell.
Other land users that see this must think bikers are idiots.
I think the race is a great , positive thing.
It would be much better with less impact on the Forest.

later
Jim


I do agree with you about the leaf blowing thing. It does make it wide as hell, and could be a great invite to an ATV, which will totally destroy the trail. I was just disagreeing with the leaf helping the trail idea.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

leaves what leaves Shocked Rolling Eyes Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Post ride Simpsons on DC tv @ Bykhed Ricks camp, he's there til he bags his buck. The other hunters are headed home @ 5.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:58 pm    Post subject: .. Reply with quote

Mucho MOTO's...

The other morning I was on Camp trail and could hear motobikes flying up Bykhed . Alot of truck & Jeep mudboggin too.

All the "No Motorized vehicle" signs are long gone.
Time for some more barricade building....

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AAAARRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation
WIDER AND ERODING TRAILS SUCK Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation
Bring on the barricades, perhaps a militia is needed.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schmuck on a bike alert in the gut. Someone's done damage while riding soggy trail, and I had to "discourage" ridearounds on Getaway and Gut loop again. I may just leave a deposit on the ridearounds if I need to do it a third time Evil or Very Mad
On the bright side Border and Getaway got pruned.
There's a headknocker on "the" Gut trail not far from where you ride thru the tree. Thats the trail with the plank ride @ the end; the one that goes down to the swamp 2x.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pedaler845 wrote:
"the" Gut trail not far from where you ride thru the tree. Thats the trail with the plank ride @ the end; the one that goes down to the swamp 2x.


I thought this trail was call 'border'. ( the trail that starts just past Kovners gate).
Whatever its called.. its gets my vote for one of the best trails in this area.
That whole section is so damn sweet.

Great work.

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Jim
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